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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

September 17, 2013, 5:30 am
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Manny, Ken, and Ben,

Is a reunion even practical? How many of you live in driving distance to Baltimore for a lunch get together? I have been a lifelong Holabirdofile. I was crushed when they bulldozed most of th fort in the early 70′s. imagine a post of 5000 souls, 60 percent of them active duty military. Originally, all we got out of it was the Holabird Raquet Club, a brand new building, that never caught on and was also eventually bulldozed. For many years, the USAINTC building held on. However, after about 30 years, it was eventually broken into and vandalized and then leveled. The 2 buildings where the Criminal Investigations Command was located where vacated and ultimately destroyed by a suspicious fire. The jeep test track has been landscaped into a park like setting. I could go on and on based on a file of newspaper clippings that I’ve kept over the years from the local paper, the Dundalk Eagle. The local historical society has extensive archives on the fort. It is located on Shipping Place in Dundalk’s village center.
Phil Ostrander
97B40
Lifeflong Baltimorean

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Ken Robinson

September 17, 2013, 8:16 am
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I’m too far away to buzz down for a lunch and I don’t think a planned full blown reunion would work. Holabird is physically gone. What would we visit? I just tried to find the location on Google Earth. All I could find was a Ft. Holabird Park and nothing in the area looked familiar. Remember, most of us were there for 4 or 5 months forty or more years ago.

What would be nice is reading those newspaper articles and the documents in the historical society. Do you know if their records are available through the internet? After all, now Holabird and our time there lives in our minds

Ken

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

September 17, 2013, 10:53 am
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Hi Ken,

I’m enjoying reading of your postings. I know that you guys are spread all over the country. I also know that there is not much left of the old fort. I particularly liked where you indicated that Fort Holabird lives on in our minds. No one can take away our best memories. However, there are still those of us who make the pilgrimage back just to see what remains. Also, I remember in just about every class, there was always at least one guy that met and married a gal when he was assigned here. Her family members most likely still reside here. So, there is always a hope that we might still get a small quorum of guys together. I will do some research with the local historical society and let you know what I come up with.

Phil

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

September 17, 2013, 1:21 pm
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Ken,

The Dundalk Historical Society has just launched its web page this month, however, there is nothing on it about Fort Holabird. It’s address is: http://www.dundalkhistory.org. At the same time, I called their number and spoke to their president, Jean Walker. She told me that they had quite a number of newspaper articles and photographs in their paper archives about the fort. Unfortunately, one has to request information from their website via a Research Request. Copies cost 25 cents a piece plus postage. I spoke with her for about 15 minutes and wound up getting an invitation to speak before the society at an upcoming meeting on the history of the post.

Phil

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Ken Robinson

September 17, 2013, 2:13 pm
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Phil,

Someone should write a book about Ft. Holabird and the Army Intelligence community. Most people never heard of Holabird or us. That includes the rest of the military even when Holabird was active.

Thanks for the information. Good luck with your lecture.

Ken

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Jim Downs

September 17, 2013, 4:58 pm
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For twelve months in 1954-55 I ran background cases in Washington DC. There were 90 other agents in the 116th who did the same thing. Big office. Security was so tight at the NSA, Army Map Agency, some areas of the Pentagon, and other places that I can not imagine anyone getting through the gate like this guy at the Navy yard just did. What has happened? They used to run a National Agency Check on all security applicants — FBI, local police files at all former residences, HCUA, etc. In many cases the employee was given some menial work to do until his full background check was completed. In DC, that often took a year. When I arrived there in June 1955, there was a 5,000 case backlog. Executive Order 10450 was in full swing. Guys like Manning and Snowden never would have been cleared.

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by RF

September 18, 2013, 4:45 am
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A note about Fort Holabird books, history and pictures:
There are three very good books with pictures of the BIRD, 1950s, 60s, early 70s. The books are part of the Army Lineage Series, written by John Patrick Finnegan. They can be purchased on the inter net and can be found at some libraries. The first book is “Military Intelligence” 437 pages. There’s also “Military Intelligence A Picture History”,195 pages and “The Military Intelligence Story, A Photographic History”, 153 pages. There are a few Holabird photos in all three books and the CIC-MI history is a nice read. There’s also a Fort Holabird alumni page on Face Book that includes pics.
RF

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

September 18, 2013, 10:36 am
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Ken

You are so right about publicity about the fort and its history. As of about one year ago, even the veterans group who owns the officers open mess building said nothing about the 30 year MI presence on their web page.

RF,

Thanks for your information about past relevant books about the Bird. At least our history is not totally ignored.

Phil

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by manny adler

September 18, 2013, 12:32 pm
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Phil and Ken,

You are so correct about very few army folks much less others having heard about Holabird or its purpose. I guess we are orphans. As far as reunions, again correct. Too few to scattered and to old (did I get all the “too” and “to’s” in the rights places. The only way this might work if all intell as well as Holabirdians were included (and perhaps Huachucans as well)?

I enjoy the posts and yes it is a limp and shuffle down memory lane.

Manny

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by manny adler

September 18, 2013, 12:35 pm
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Jim (1106),

Snowden and Manning and how about the “good” Major Hasan.

Manny

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

September 18, 2013, 1:05 pm
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Ken, Manny, Jim, and RF,

After all of this gloomy talk about our old memories about Fort Holabird and the lost MI Bn, I thought it might be a good time for some levity. My wife just purchased a birthday card for her kid brother who is turning 56 (oh to be 56 again.). It reads as follows: 2 guys your age go out to the bars at 10 on a Saturday night. One has 6 beers while the other has 3 beers and 2 shots of Jack. Who gets hammered first? Response: No one your age is out partying after 10 p.m.

Phil
Tajeon Warrior
FayetteCong Trooper

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

September 18, 2013, 3:48 pm
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Hi Y’all,

In my complementary close in my last post, I should have said FayetteCong Hunter, not Trooper. The FayetteCong were indigenous personnel we were warned about when I was stationed at Fort Bragg, NC. The city adjoining our base was Fayetteville. This editor regrets the error.

Phil
FayetteCong Hunter

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by james h. bone

September 19, 2013, 12:08 pm
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50 YEARS AGO I MUSTERED OUT OF THIS MAN’S ARMY AT Ft. DEVENS. MY WIFE AND I LOADED UP THE 1966 FORD FAIRLANE AND TOOK OFF FOR A 10 DAY TRIP ACROSS NEW HAMPSHIRE, VERMONT, LAKE CHAMPLAIN AND INTO CANADA. TO MONTREAL AND QUBECK, DOWN THRU MAINE, CAPE COD, NEW YORK CITY, WASHINGTON, ONTO THE SKYLINE DRIVE, DOWN ACCROSS THE SMOKEYS AND BACK HOME TO GEORGIA. NEVEAR FORGET THOSE YEARS IN THE ARMY. THE ARMY GAVE ME MUCH MORE THAN THEY GOT FROM ME. 6 MONTHS AT THE BIRD, 12MONTHS AT THE LANGUAGE SCHOOL IN MONTEREY 12 MONTHS IN KOREA, AND 6 MONTHS AT FORT DEVENS. THOSE WERE ALL FOND MEMORIES. CAN RELIVE THEM IN MY MIND MOST EVERY DAY, AND REMEMBER SOMETHING ELSE OR DIFFERENT EACH TIME. WHAT A BLESSING AND PRIVILEGE TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY WHEN WE DID. GOD BLESS AMERICA. J. BONE

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by charles goffredo

September 19, 2013, 4:22 pm
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Ref1113 James, well said. I tried to reach you on your listed email addresses, but no luck. I can be reached at mrg723@si.rr.com. 502nd MI Bn sept 65 to April 67, HHC Yongsan compound. Please contact if you want to bs a little about the 502nd.
SP5 Mister Charlie

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Bill Morrissey

September 20, 2013, 7:59 am
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I was stationed at the Bird from 0ct. 65 until Jan. 66 (97D Course) and from Jan 68 to May 68,(97B course) love to hear from anyone who might remember me. I am also trying to locate a Mary Tilman who was also stationed at the Bird as permenant Party.

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Gordon Cooper

September 20, 2013, 2:48 pm
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Ref 1115 Morrissey. Were you an E-5 in the agent class?
Gordon Cooper

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by ben burt

September 24, 2013, 1:19 pm
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JUST A COMMENT RE; FORT HOLABIRD BEING AN AMOST”ANONYMOUS” PLACE. IN JULY 1963 I RODE MY BRAND-NEW YAMAHA 250CC MOTORCYCLE FROM FORT WORTH, TEXAS TO BALTIMORE TO ATTEND AGENT TRAINING AT THE BIRD. WWHEN I ARRIVED INTO THE CITY I STOPPED AT A GAS STATION. I ASKED THE ATTENDANT IF HE COULD DIRECT ME TO FORT HOLABIRD. HE SAID” NEVAH HEARD OF IT”. I THEN ASKED IF HE KNEW WHERE DUNDALK AVENUE WAS. THERE WAS A BIG MAP OF THE TOWN ON THE WALL AND HE POINTED TO A SPOT. I THEN ASKED HIM HOW TO GET THERE. HE TOLD ME AND I HOPPED ON MY SCOOTER AND RODE AWAY; THINKING JUST HOW BIG OR SMALL THIS PLACE COULD BE. I SOON FOUND OUT!. in nov. 63 AFTER THE ASSASSINATION OF PRES. KENNEDY, AND KNOWING I WAS BEING SENT TO OKINAWA I GOT A FIVE-DAY PASS FROM THE COMMANDANT; RODE THE BIKE BACK TO TEXAS AND THEN FLEW BCK TO BALTIMORE. NOW HOW MANY OF YOU WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME?? BEN BURT

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Don Clifton

November 1, 2013, 12:47 pm
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(1136) I remember reading the book. Very funny account of the author’s OSS training and assignments. Supposed to have been based on true events.

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Teresa Battle

November 3, 2013, 8:48 am
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This lady Mrs Klecka was FT holabird everypne knew her. Wondelful lady i work for her and i enjoy her company. This site about Ft holabird is very educative and please anyone in chart of this site please send Beverly Mc Cormick my e-mail address or have her to write in here a note to me. HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU ALL LOVE TERESA//////////

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Comment on Jersey Expressions (More Jerseyspeak). by somersetcountygoil

November 9, 2013, 10:01 am
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Taylor ham and cheese. love it. I LIVE IN NOrtheastern PA now (scranton) and these crazies NEVER heard of It. Damn amateurs.

Somerset county native

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