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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Bob Fox

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Ref #1784

This is about the 115th CIC at Presidio of San Francisco in 1955-56 (6th Army HQ).

Both agents and clerical staff (like me) in the unit received rations and quarters allowances, since the unit had no assigned quarters. The agents wore civvies (including hats) but other personnel wore uniforms – 6th Army patches, U. S. and Great Seal brass. All uniformed personnel (not just CIC) at Presidio wore ODs year-round because of San Francisco’s peculiar climate.

You were on your own to find a place to live. I lived in a boarding house for about six months, an apartment with a buddy for six, and a furnished flat with three buddies another six. The flat was seven rooms and a garage for $125 a month – $30 apiece, $35 for the one who used the garage.


Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Ref.#1784
I was stationed in Taejon, Korea from August 1970 to June 1971. I obtained an “early out” to return to school where I earned my undergraduate degree. My COs’ during that 10 month period included 2 CPT’s and one MAJ. The location was Stonestown Compound. Nearby was Supply Point 49. At the Taejon Field Office, we had half a dozen S/A’s. In addition to the CO, we had an XO, and an MI Coordinator. All office personnel lived in 2 bedroom stucco ranch style houses with tile roofs. Each house had a living room and a bathroom with a tile shower. The Officers’ Club and the EM Club were open to all of our office personnel. Generally, we ate at the mess hall. All of us wore civilian clothes and went by the title of Mr. In addition to our B’s and C’s, we had US MI Agent ID cards. We employed 3 Korean language translators, a houseman, and a laundress, all were indigenous personnel.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by bill leach jr

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I find it strange that the only mention on the Wikipedia page for Fort Holabird being the Army Intelligence School is one line.
“1950: Renamed as Fort Holabird. The U.S. Army Intelligence School and Counter Intelligence Records Facility based here until transferred to Fort Huachuca, Arizona in 1971”.
Also, no mention of Holabird being the Headquarters for Army Intelligence.
It seems like a forgotten post.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Bill Schulz

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Bill- Wikipedia is an “open” encyclopedia and anyone can add to or edit an entry. It’s apparently a self-policied environment and if an error exists, someone is bound to find it and correct it.

I’m a FIAT nut having driven the smaller sedans since 1958 and I have made several additions and/or corrections to pieces on the models I know intimately. Never got any flak on it. Every article I’ve seen has “(edit)” at the end.

My point is that some of the ‘Bird info is probably no really for general consumption but got posted by some one who really knew better but had “loose lips” or fingertips as the case may be.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Ref#1789
Mssrs. Leach and Schultz,

Maybe I am looking at a different Wikipedia source, but when I type “Fort Holabird”, I am able to find a short paragraph on its history and a timeline from its creation to its demise. Since this page was written, I have embellished upon it into a page and one-half timeline. If anyone would like a copy or has questions about the present condition of the remains of Fort Holabird, please email me at ppstrndr@verizon.net. I have given presentations on its history to different local groups in the past 2 years.

Phil Ostrander
Baltimore Native

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Bill Schulz

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Phil-

A cursory look at the site I was referring to (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Holabird) does give a simple overview at the start. However, if you scroll farther down the page there are links to “Counterintelligence Corps (United States Army),” “United States Counterintelligence,” and “United States Army Intelligence Center.” The latter gives all sorts of information about S/A training, authority, weapons, etc. so I’d say it’s a pretty complete rundown on what CI spooks did, do and can do.

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Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Bill Schulz,

One of my favorite sites about Fort Holabird is the one listed by Wayne Dow: http://www.waynedow.net/pdffiles/extract4.pdf
It is the Officers’ Guide to Fort Holabird containing 67 pages including 13 pictures and a 1953 map with a building location key.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Larry Hamilton

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Re #1767

Jerry, I was also at Bien Hoa in April, 1971. Sorry, I don’t remember you. I worked in the S3 shop.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Jerry McCarty

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Re #1796

Larry, I was at the 3BN HQ for 6 months with Maj Krape and Maj Wahl. Then down the road to a team with Ihor Husar. Greg Altschuh and Mike McCarthy were on the team next door.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Duc Huc – a mock Vietnamese village, was constructed in 1956 by soldiers of the US Special Forces at Fort Howard, MD, several miles southeast of Fort Holabird. It was used throughout the 1960’s in order to prepare for the guerilla and counterinsurgency warfare that our troops would experience in the jungles of Vietnam. The USAINTC secured a portion of one of several remaining batteries of the old post to be used for field training and combat familiarization. Unfortunately, this site was never widely used by the US military. On August 20th, members of the Friends of Fort Howard Park and other local groups, after clearing the site of weeds and trash, installed an historical marker indicating the location of Duc Huc.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Wayne Akemoto

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I remember going to Fort Howard one afternoon during the final portion of our 97B training. It was a good change of pace from the classroom as was the “surveillance” exercise in downtown Baltimore. The other thing I remember about the final week was the class meeting we had at the end of a training day when we found out what our first assignment was going to be. Because of my age, received an age waiver to attend class, I thought I might get an assignment to Army Language School, but no, I received orders for the 90th Replacement Battalion, APO San Francisco 96307. There were five us in 66-B-24 that received the same assignment that eventually ended up with all of being assigned to the 524th MI Detachment.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Fort Howard – I remember doing an FTX there as part of my agent class training. Specifically, I recall chasing unmarked government cars around the base as part of what was supposed to be a a surveillance exercise. They used to employ Fort Holabird WACS on the FTX’s however, this was discontinued because of too much fraternization between the sexes.

For years there have been efforts to redevelop the 96+ acres of land into townhouses and apartments for retired veterans and others but each attempt has ended in failure. Today, the former fort, now a park, sits on a peninsula between the Patapsco River and the Chesapeake Bay, waiting for its next stage of development.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Manny Adler

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Are we still here?

Manny Adler
Class of 1955


Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Hi Guys,

Wayne, Jerry, Larry, Bob, Bill S. Bill L., etc., please sign in to let us know that you are still alive and well.

I was encouraged to read in Stars and Stripes that we, as honorably discharged veterans, will be eligible for online PX previleges as of Veterans’ Day in 2017.

Best,

Phil Ostrander
Agent Class of 1969

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Bob Hammel

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RE: 1794, be sure to send raised seal papers of identity (birth records, old passport, etc) if you are looking to find if Stasi had you in their sights during Cold War tours in Germany.

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Wayne Akemoto

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Alive and well in Hawaii although will be flying to Vegas next week for a high school reunion. Yes that is correct. Vegas is the favorite site for many reunions for many Hawaii schools. In my case, I graduated from Leilehua High School which is in Wahiawa. Quite a few of my classmates, myself included, had fathers who were stationed at Schofield Barracks with the 25th Inf. Div. The “Tropic Lightning” is still there!

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Wade Morse

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Does anyone know what herbicide was used at the mock Vietnamese village at Ft Howard?

Comment on Fort Holabird or the Twilight Zone? by Phil Ostrander

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Wade,

I am sure that it was some kind of a mock herbicide :-)

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